it is amazing how bethel is the best at making apostates!
i wonder how many new up and coming apostates the new wt headquarters will generate?.
what nice and fresh stories will surface from the secluded and private wt hub?
I haven't posted this link in a long time. It's to a free google document that lists identity handles of all known ex-bethelites that have joined this forum and have posted here. Some are CO's and there may be a DO on the list -- I don't remember.
Call my attention to ones not on the list and I will include them.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UfMFMrD-qVAfHrsblwsJlUqfq4QPzqqvt_gF-UtlwVA/edit?usp=sharing
Len Miller
thete are a lot of derocatory comments sbout witnesses and cleaning windows.
as a former window cleaner i can say:-.
a. i started my self employment at 17.. b. i built the round with my own initiative.. c. i was soon making 4 times the average hourly wage.. d. i was afraid of heights, but as the round grew i employed 2 people.. e. it exspanded to gardening painting and decorating ect, ect,.
My hats off to you.
Bill gates did well with Windows also.
what did jesus say?.
(acts 1:8)8 but you will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon you, and you will be witnesses of me both in jerusalem and in all judea and samaria and to the most distant part of the earth.
by "divine providence" what did jesus' followers become known as?.
Good refs, Blondie.
Another question -- how many times did Jesus address Jehovah by name in his model prayer? Zero. How many times did your DO adress Jehovah by name in his concluding prayer at the last convention?
My dad's name was Wesley. Care to guess how many times I addressed him by name? Zero!
Len
snarky's version is much more entertaining:.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqluxvfvalm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu7030iiabu.
I don't pretend to be skilled with Excel although I used it a lot in my pre-retirement years. I retired some 11 years ago. Now, I'm using the freebee LibreOffice Calc and it seems to behave very similar to Excel.
My point? Some Watchtower apologist may bring up the 360 day year instead of the 365+ day year those video creators used by using Excel's standard date addition. I decided to see if Excel (it's more popular when you do a Google search for help) had some 360 day year function I could understand. Sure enough, they both have the DAYS360 function. Recall that the video using Excel's standard date function returned a date -- not the Watchtower target of Sept 5-13, 1922 but Aug 7, 1922. That's about a month difference.
Using, however, the DAYS360 function calculation returns 8/25/1922. Yes, it cuts the Watchtower error in half but still no bragging rights for the Society and the apologist. That's still a two week discrepancy from Watchtower's Cedar Point start date.
Len Miller
ps: I don't have time tonight to paste my calc trail. If it's important perhaps someone else can take the time -- which will confirm or crash my numbers.
following on from a recent post that asked for a list of the watchtower changers since you left, it would be intetesting to compile the list with why the changes were made.. .
Oubliette: "To maintain the illusion of forward motion"
Great thinking.
To be honest, this impressed me before I got out in '77. Every time they announced a change, most of us applauded the fact that NEW LIGHT continued to tantalize our appetite for more and more. Little did we know that if you're not careful (Watchtower wasn't) you might return to an exact teaching you advocated before. And in those years and earlier it happened and there weren't many watchdog critics able to spot those flip-flop teachings. Computers and the internet were just gleams in the eyes of high tech folks of that era. Even Watchtower writers had very challenging tasks, with no computer, to search for teaching positions on certain topics prior to their day.
The Great Watchtower Contradiction emphasizes such a scenario. The following is a link to that free 11 minute read. http://goo.gl/TkcHt
Len
within the last few years i understand watchtower has issued a concession (no apology) of minor proportion.
they don't admit to the avalanche of some 8 sequential positions (yes, no, yes, no, ...) of, "will the sodomites receive a resurrection?".
i think they admit to about three of them.
Thanks all for some very thought provoking points. Whether Watchower pubs have contradicted themselves once or 8 times on this single teaching, they prove themselves less than honest (it's called lying) when they declared in 1981:
"At times explanations given by Jehovah’s visible organization
have shown adjustments, seemingly to previous points of view. But
this has not actually been the case." The Watchtower (WT), 1981, 12/1 p.
27
Len
within the last few years i understand watchtower has issued a concession (no apology) of minor proportion.
they don't admit to the avalanche of some 8 sequential positions (yes, no, yes, no, ...) of, "will the sodomites receive a resurrection?".
i think they admit to about three of them.
Hmmmm ... Was I dreaming?
within the last few years i understand watchtower has issued a concession (no apology) of minor proportion.
they don't admit to the avalanche of some 8 sequential positions (yes, no, yes, no, ...) of, "will the sodomites receive a resurrection?".
i think they admit to about three of them.
Within the last few years I understand Watchtower has issued a concession (no apology) of minor proportion. They don't admit to the avalanche of some 8 sequential positions (yes, no, yes, no, ...) of, "Will the Sodomites receive a resurrection?". I think they admit to about three of them. Can someone refresh my memory as to exactly what they said?
Len Miller
i have not been a sister for the past 19 years, i asked to be da'd as i had started smoking aged 12 and at 19 no longer wanted people to think badly of the jw's over my conduct.. for 19 years my father, an elder, has tried his damndest to bring me back.
he kept contact sometimes more, sometimes less, always under the threat to stop the contact alltogether.
at one point he managed to not speak to me for several months.
As suggested, jwfacts.com is, indeed, a great single place to go. Another, is the 11 minute read in The Great Watchtower Contradiction which cites some 25 quotations from Watchtower's own publications they'd rather you not find in your Watchtower Library CD.
Len
does the wtbts of transylvania have a paid clergy?.
but do they lie about it and claim otherwise?
here are some of their falsehoods, imitating "the father of the lie" and his deceptive practices, to blind people's minds:.
You make some very good points.
